[Glorantha] Babs, Humakt, Sylila

[Joerg Baumgartner]

Simon Hibbs
> Donald:

>>I seem to remember a myth which said Humakt was Babeester Gor's
>>father which implies Ernalda's life is stronger than Humakt's
>>death so Humakt could hardly be an appropriate psychopomp there.

> Babeester Gor was born dead, to a dead mother so naturaly her
> father is the death god.

Unless you allow for the usual earth goddess parthenogenesis in achieving
the next generation.




LC quoting Graham

> I happen to agree with a lot of this. I think there certainly has been
> cross-over like this, where people discover it is the same god. We only
> really have the Storm Tribe/Thunder Rebels version in detail, and that's
> the Sartarite/Quivini version, which I am sure is not the same even
> throughout the rest of the Orlanthi peoples.

Taken to further extremes with the identification of that wasp thing which
Yanafal overcame with the sword-wielding anthropomorph (or at least
sword-morph plus wielder) Orlanthi deity.


My current take on Humakt is that he is not a son of Umath, but a part
which has been separated away.

Umath's first act was an act of separation (of Earth and Sky). I see Umath
and Eurmal questing down with Vivamort. Humakt returned, with the sword.
Umath had his row with Jagrekriand (Tolat, Shargash - all the while not
sure whether that was a kind of self-killing to define both Shargash and
the Storm Tribe) and disappeared without experiencing Death (as defined by
the Orlanthi).


> I was flipping through my ILH-1 the other day and remembering that the
> whole run of the provinces all the way up to the Satrap of Sylila is
> Orlanthi more or less. But at the same time, these obviously would be
> different in numerous ways. First off, they are Alkoring, IIRC, and
> secondly, it even hints they have different versions of the basic
> Orlanthi cult we are familiar with.

There is more evidence for that. Check the entry for Grizzly Peak in
Dragon Pass - Land of Thunder for differences between Vingkotlings and
Sylilings. Also Odayla in Storm Tribe, then the various bear cults in ILH2
and the other source referenced from the moon bear write-up there.


> I'd love to see a brief outline of that Alakoring run from Tarsh up to
> Sylila before the Lunars got to them.

IMO the Syliling differences are older, and go deeper than the differences
even between Talastari and northern Heortlings.