[Glorantha] King Moirades' Empire

Paul Andrew King paul at morat.demon.co.uk
Tue Jul 26 22:04:17 BST 2005


I'll start by repeating that I have no problem with choosing an idea 
that makes a juicy plot-point.  My objection is limited to the claim 
that support for this idea is to be found in KoS


Lets go over what Argrath's Saga DOES say about the Good Empire (all 
of these points are restricted to the paragraph where the Good Empire 
is explicitly named)

1) It is a new name for the Lunar Empire.

2) It sent an army to attack Fyllich Kwan (according to the maps I 
have this suggests an attack from the East - presumably to include 
the Elves).  Jar-Eel is with the army which is lead by either 
Phargentes or the "King of Jillaro"
(Jar-Eel's presence suggests that this is the Lunar Empire, rather 
than an independent Tarshite Lunar state, as does the uncertainty 
over the leadership.  I also find it more plausible geographically 
that Sylila is part of the main Lunar Empire rather than a Tarshite 
state given that Holay is independent and the first target of the 
attack).

3) The Lunar Empire had conquered Tarsh, the inhabitants called the 
Empire "the Good Empire" and Phargentes was King.

None of these suggest that Phargentes is Emperor or that the "Good 
Empire" is anything other than a name for the Lunar Empire

Phargentes is also named as King of Dragon Pass between 1677 and 
1680.  However, as Moirades held that position while being 
subservient to the Lunar Empire it cannot be evidence that Phargentes 
is independent, so all this gives us is a date.

As to your suggestion that the conquests of Tarsh at the end of Part 
3 and part 4 are the same event, both are to be found in CHDP. If 
these events are the same then CHDP is equally confused (which is 
unlikely if it was written for Agrath's wedding shortly after 
Dwernapple).  So I am not sure what your point is here. I can't even 
find a reasonable alternative that you might have meant.

Nor do we have two formations of the Good Empire.  All Part 5 says is 
that the name was in use in Tarsh at the time - it does not say when 
the name was first applied. 



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